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Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2016 3:07:22 GMT
Ladies, thanks for your imput, shall have to put my two cents tomorrow, Odd is peering at the door hopefully.
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Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2016 17:14:22 GMT
Well here it is Sunday morning, just had me brekky of oatmeal and strawberries with a dab of honey, you just can't be to sweet, plus coffee to wash it all down. What is it against suicide, Is there a chapter aand verse or just the Catholic, you go to hell thing? The question raised today is, it can be abused, but in today society what isn't, so is it a door to get away with murder? 2Sam 31 tells of Saul not having a good day, so commands his armor-bearer to give him the chop ( assisted suicide?) he won't do it, so Saul falls on his sword (non assisted suicide) that doesn't seem to work, (that's when he knew he was having a bad day) and from scripture, it's the Amalekite who finishes him off, ( assisted suicide?) Everyone has empathy for those who are suffering and no one wants to end up in a vegetive state themselves, some say life is sacred, but murders and war continue and abortion. Aspects of increased knowledge have extended age, so longer life extended by whatever means will come to an end, and as none of us have been there but we do have contact with those in these situations, Christian and non, I think my sword will be, D-N-R. And if a person has chosen that path it should be honoured. My preference would be the Old Testament way, draw your feet up. But that seems easier read than done, this is a tricky one but also a question which we all will face, personally or for friends. Maybe the Lord will give us all wisdom at the time and especially for the suffering.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 6:45:16 GMT
I think my sword will be, D-N-R.
Drive - Neutral - Reverse ?
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Post by Dave/ not logged in on Jul 4, 2016 13:17:46 GMT
Mike, I can see you've read the new car manual, well done. Reverse has the most appeal at the moment especially with my hair color, what was Solomons conclusion; vanity ALL is vanity.😀😄.
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Post by james on Jul 4, 2016 22:03:30 GMT
I admit I have not read all the way through this thread so maybe it has already been said. There is a difference between do not resuscitate and going to a suicide clinic to die. I see DNR as me saying if I am so far gone then let me go in peace don't pull me back to spend the rest of my life in an altered state because someone did not want to see me take a step upward to Glory.
The suicide clinic does not allow for the fact that a day a month or a year after I have ended my life a cure is found for my condition.
It is to do with intent, one way says I am going to be selfish and leave a space in my friends and families lives. The other way says if I get sick and all stand around as I sink deeper into decline, then having past the point of no return, do not try to out God, God.
James
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Post by Dave on Jul 5, 2016 16:27:01 GMT
Suicide clinics, I think we call them hospices here, James you make a point on selfishness, I think it's a factor in all the decisions it seems at the end, Paul says that he would have rather gone but--------- just how was he thinking of going? He would not appear to be sick unto death, and he doesn't read as a fall on your sword type; Maybe it was an Abram thing, the city. Just as a side item, how many scroll down on the side of their I-pad against doing it in the middle bit???
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Post by james on Jul 5, 2016 21:42:13 GMT
Just as a side item, how many scroll down on the side of their I-pad against doing it in the middle bit???
This went right over my head, more light please.
There is a suicide clinic in Europe called Dignatas you go there to take a pill and pop off rather than face an uncertain future.
James
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Post by Dave on Jul 5, 2016 22:54:19 GMT
This is Gen 1v3, James, As you know my i-pad skills are some what lacking and I have a built in tendency to lock myself out of the site, so I turn to the helpmate God has given me and===================. the helpmate then says, what did you do//////////// my only reply is, I don't know, then follows words of empathy, words of patience and longsuffering, then I realise ,I was having a brain cramp. The last time this very unfortunate thing happened again, helpmate was not moved by my dilemma, but relented later and fixed it with a very severe admonition that I was scrolling on the edge of said i-pad and EVERY ONE scrolls using the middle. So I thought time for a site referendum, am I the only edge scroller I ask?
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Post by Helen on Jul 6, 2016 1:16:47 GMT
Inturpretation....Dave scrolls on the right side of the page...therefore often in his aggressive finger tapping and scrolling he hits the "Logout" button on the top right . Then moans that he can't get back into the site. Hence I keep saying..
" SCROLL DOWN THE MIDDLE on the IPad , not the sides..then you won't keep logging yourself OUT!! "
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Post by Poppy on Jul 6, 2016 16:12:21 GMT
I'm just posting this so it will come up in 'Participated' rather than having to go to 'Recent Threads' every time.
I've been reading the posts but haven't felt I had anything to add so far.
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Post by ivor on Jul 6, 2016 19:51:34 GMT
its no good if you lock yourself out... but the general "back step" is to hold Control (Ctrl) and press Z and it'll undo the last thing you did within the post which can be useful if you're heavy handed.
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Post by Dave on Jul 6, 2016 20:39:11 GMT
Don't know how to categorize this mishap. Perhaps, Oh Whoops.
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Post by Dave on Jul 6, 2016 20:43:22 GMT
Ivor, I've duly noted your destructions and written them in my book called; i-pad mishaps for the heavy handed. Thanks Bro.
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Post by james on Jul 6, 2016 21:00:44 GMT
Thanks Dave and Helen, I now understand. I just could not understand how it made any difference where one were to scroll but all with Helens light makes perfect sense.
Happy scrolling to one and all.
James
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Post by Poppy on Jul 13, 2016 18:30:47 GMT
Well the UK has a new PM and I think we should pray for her as she has the unenviable task of leading this country into the next phase in its history.
I pray that she may lead with righteousness and that the Holy Spirit will impart wisdom, strength and authority to her and guide her in the difficult decisions she is going have to make during her time in office. She will be in charge of making Brexit a fact as well as all the other business of government. Her speech tonight was quite inspiring and I believe she is the daughter of a vicar, so I pray that she will make those tough choices according to Christian standards.
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Post by Helen on Jul 17, 2016 16:01:32 GMT
In the light of all that is going on today.." the beginning of troubles.." violence and death becoming a daily thing... We know that as Jesus told us..there will be Great Tribulation...soon it will be in EVERY City, every Town, every Village throughout the world, as He said...no escape, and no flesh spared unless He came quickly....it's happening...( Matt 24) This article greatly blessed me...hope it does for for too...
"I will be still, and I will behold in my dwelling place" (Isaiah 18:4, ).
"Assyria was marching against Ethiopia, the people of which are described as tall and smooth. And as the armies advance, God makes no effort to arrest them; it seems as though they will be allowed to work their will. He is still watching them from His dwelling place, the sun still shines on them; but before the harvest, the whole of the proud army of Assyria is smitten as easily as when sprigs are cut off by the pruning hook of the husbandman. Is not this a marvelous conception of God--being still and watching? His stillness is not acquiescence. His silence is not consent. He is only biding His time, and will arise, in the most opportune moment, and when the designs of the wicked seem on the point of success, to overwhelm them with disaster. As we look out on the evil of the world; as we think of the apparent success of wrong-doing; as we wince beneath the oppression of those that hate us, let us remember these marvelous words about God being still and beholding. There is another side to this. Jesus beheld His disciples toiling at the oars through the stormy night; and watched though unseen, the successive steps of the anguish of Bethany, when Lazarus slowly passed through the stages of mortal sickness, until he succumbed and was borne to the rocky tomb. But He was only waiting the moment when He could interpose most effectually. Is He still to thee? He is not unobservant; He is beholding all things; He has His finger on thy pulse, keenly sensitive to all its fluctuations. He will come to save thee when the precise moment has arrived." Daily Devotional Commentary
Whatever His questions or His reticences, we may be absolutely sure of an unperplexed and undismayed Saviour.
O troubled soul, beneath the rod, Thy Father speaks, be still, be still; Learn to be silent unto God, And let Him mould thee to His will. O praying soul, be still, be still, He cannot break His plighted Word; Sink down into His blessed will, And wait in patience on the Lord. O waiting soul, be still, be strong, And though He tarry, trust and wait; Doubt not, He will not wait too long, Fear not, He will not come too late.
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Post by Dave on Jul 18, 2016 16:18:03 GMT
I was thinking this morning and listing the amount of prayers unanswered against those answered!!!!!!!! And I'm definitely not batting 100, in Helen's post she mentioned Lazarus, four days late but right on time, the thought struck me, if a day can be a thousand years I could have a long wait on some answers. . Oh, wait in patience on the Lord. Is a line in that poem it would seem M and M had a patience problem too. It certainly isn't an issue with the Lord. Can one wait and not be patient? So is waiting a sign of patience, one is not always patient when like Rita waiting for the bus, and if it doesn't turn up but you are still waiting, sort of a bit like unanswered prayer, enough waffle.
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Post by james on Jul 18, 2016 21:03:00 GMT
Yep one can wait and not be patient. One is waiting not because one is in faith but because one has not the answer that one feels should be coming along. One is aware one can do nothing , one is not in charge, or in control of the situation, or it's eventual outcome, but one still waits to witness the final result. I wonder if just hanging around to see the end result is in fact some sort of faith since one is expecting an outcome. James
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 21:06:23 GMT
Lol - I had to wait for three buses today, and none of them showed up- my bus app gives me clues- so I just went into Costa and had a breakfast and waited patiently for the fourth bus, which I knew would be coming. Do you think God gives us clues to ' when to wait patiently ' and ' when to be expectant ' !!!
Oh the move date is creeping up James -by the way, how is everything with your daughter and the situation you opened up about a little while ago?
The care home is back on lock down - the ecoli outbreak is throughout Sussex, they believe it originated from lettuce sent over from Italy - public health have said we are the cleanest home they have seen -that was an encouragment within all the discouraging things going on.
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Post by ivor on Jul 20, 2016 23:16:20 GMT
Rita i do think we in the West lost our ability to be patient after the Industrial Revolution where we began to measure our hourly time as a saleable product. Now we all sell our time by the hour and non of us get the true reward for giving our life to the treadmill. Before the Industrial Revolution we were often agricultural and we worked by seasons not hours. If we are going to be late and there's nothing we can do then why not chill out and have a coffee and a pipe and worry over nothing but enjoying the moment out of the rat race?
Theres always a time within the year when I miss judge the weather and get caught on my motorcycle in a downpour with no waterproofs to wear, I'll make a cafe stop if possible but often find myself and my wife sitting under a bridge avoiding the worst of these times when theres nothing we can do..... often other motorists kindly stop to ask if we are broken down and we see the nice side of people even in their busy lives they take time out to show concern for us. People watching is a really good way to pass our time - looking into the soul of another and praying for their need is so worthwhile.
James will give us news when its time but we are concerned
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