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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 15:10:35 GMT
The word "was" in Genesis 1:2 for some adherents is more accurately translated "became".
God is perfect and everything He does is perfect, so a newly created earth from the hand of God should not have been without form and void and shrouded in darkness. Deuteronomy 32:4, Isaiah 45:18 1 John 1:5
The Holy Spirit was "renewing" the face of the earth as he hovered over the face of the waters. Psalms 104:30
Angels already existed in a state of grace when God "laid the foundations of the Earth", so there had been at least one creative act of God before the six days of Genesis. Job 38:4-7
Satan and his angels caused war in Heaven (Revelation 12:7-9) and had fallen from grace "in the beginning" (Isaiah 14:12) (Luke 10:18) which, since the serpent tempted Adam and Eve, had to have occurred before the Fall of man. Isaiah 14:12-15, Ezekiel 28:11-19, John 8:44
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2020 16:38:11 GMT
I'm always interested in the six day revelation of Genesis stuff Mike, I shall have to look up Mr Pember, the timeless period before our creation could be of interest.
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Post by james on Mar 15, 2020 20:28:42 GMT
I shall away and look up the list of scriptures to get a bit of background on his take on things.
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2020 22:51:50 GMT
Interesting to read his Wiki blurb, a sort of founding father of the 'modern' dispensationalist, I wonder if his book is still around, one does ponder why we never got a Genesis chapter one before we got what is chapter one now  I'll let our esteemed leader do the leg work on the scriptures he uses  . |
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Post by ivor on Mar 15, 2020 23:17:14 GMT
The word "was" in Genesis 1:2 for some adherents is more accurately translated "became". 1 God is perfect and everything He does is perfect, so a newly created earth from the hand of God should not have been without form and void and shrouded in darkness. Deuteronomy 32:4, Isaiah 45:18 1 John 1:5 2 The Holy Spirit was "renewing" the face of the earth as he hovered over the face of the waters. Psalms 104:30 3 Angels already existed in a state of grace when God "laid the foundations of the Earth", so there had been at least one creative act of God before the six days of Genesis. Job 38:4-7 4 Satan and his angels caused war in Heaven (Revelation 12:7-9) and had fallen from grace "in the beginning" (Isaiah 14:12) (Luke 10:18) which, since the serpent tempted Adam and Eve, had to have occurred before the Fall of man. Isaiah 14:12-15, Ezekiel 28:11-19, John 8:44 1 Mike why shouldn't the earth be without form? all the other planets are without form.. he is speaking about "our" dimensional creation of man and mans planet that requires not only plants but all of the microbes that live on us and inside of us - it had to start somewhere. If God choose to fill another planet with a totally different life using other gases and forms of life and plants he has the right to do so... he may even tell them their creation story? 2 The Holy Spirit put life onto the face of the planet 3 This is not the history of God - it is the history of man 4 It had to occur before Satan temped Eve and needed to be included in the history of man |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 0:01:33 GMT
Ivor, don't shoot the messenger, shoot the author of 'Earth's earliest Ages'.
I am no more G H Pember than you are C S Lewis.
At least I gave you G H Pember without plagiarising his views. 
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Post by james on Mar 16, 2020 15:31:54 GMT
I looked up the bible references and yes one might make the interpretation that has been the opening post. Conclusive it is not, I read more in these scriptures than the narrow view of Mr Pember.
I would love for him to explain where all the Dinosaurs fit, but I am not holding my breath.
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2020 17:48:06 GMT
Thanks Rob for a concise report on Mr P, I too will from 'isolation' check the scriptures out, the Jews 'thought' in 'them' they had life. I think the Ply' Breth' were known for some narrow views  . |
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Post by Dave on Mar 17, 2020 23:11:03 GMT
I read all of Mr Pembers scriptures, and I think I'll stick with God and in the beginning.
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Post by james on Mar 20, 2020 10:43:51 GMT
Ply' Breth' Dave was where I went to Sunday school and learnt all the OT bible stories. It was a gospel hall as far as I know, not sure which Ruslip it was in Manor or Gardens but Helen would know. Had good sing songs there.
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Post by Helen on Mar 22, 2020 1:04:13 GMT
Ply' Breth' Dave was where I went to Sunday school and learnt all the OT bible stories. It was a gospel hall as far as I know, not sure which Ruslip it was in Manor or Gardens but Helen would know. Had good sing songs there. I thought they were all very nice. I remember my Sunday school teacher...she was so kind. She mentioned " meeting Jesus " in a field and kneeling down in the mud to ask him into her heart. I was about 11 or 12 I think...I couldn't see the point of her getting muddy.
I was very powerfully impacted by their Crucifixion movie....and Jesus falling under the weight of the cross. Maybe we had more christian input into our lives than we remember now.
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Post by james on Mar 22, 2020 13:54:13 GMT
Good times, I enjoyed the Sunday school, learning all those OT stories was great. The songs we sang in church I do not remember but the chap up front who always moved his hand up and down like slotting the correct pigeon into its pigeon hole thus demonstrating how many notes to rise or fall is still clear in my memory.
That was the foundation of my experience although I did not recognize it for at least 24 years.
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