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Post by twinc on Feb 28, 2020 17:54:50 GMT
after centuries the proper answer here - what is certain is that the Saviour of the world will do just that - He is currently depicted as Saviour of Christians only - can this be reconciled - so lets have your answers and then I shall give Jesus answer and mine - lets see if you know His answer or not - I think not - twinc
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Post by ivor on Feb 28, 2020 19:47:22 GMT
Before the Resurrection.........how were they saved ?
... this is written in the past tense and yet it hasn't happened yet - do you have a time machine Twinc?
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Post by twinc on Feb 28, 2020 21:12:42 GMT
Before the Resurrection.........how were they saved ?... this is written in the past tense and yet it hasn't happened yet - do you have a time machine Twinc? that's not the answer Jesus gave - no time machine needed in God's good time - twinc |
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Post by Helen on Feb 28, 2020 21:27:54 GMT
after centuries the proper answer here - what is certain is that the Saviour of the world will do just that - He is currently depicted as Saviour of Christians only - can this be reconciled - so lets have your answers and then I shall give Jesus answer and mine - lets see if you know His answer or not - I think not - twinc Well Twinc , you have the answer right there in your post wen you said- Quote < what is certain is that the Saviour of the world will do just that - > AGREE YES INDEED HE WILL ( and has ) Good to see you...hope you are doing well. |
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Post by twinc on Mar 1, 2020 19:30:28 GMT
after centuries the proper answer here - what is certain is that the Saviour of the world will do just that - He is currently depicted as Saviour of Christians only - can this be reconciled - so lets have your answers and then I shall give Jesus answer and mine - lets see if you know His answer or not - I think not - twinc Well Twinc , you have the answer right there in your post wen you said- Quote < what is certain is that the Saviour of the world will do just that - > AGREE YES INDEED HE WILL ( and has ) Good to see you...hope you are doing well. so far no mention as to what will cause every knee to bend and every tongue to confess Jesus as Lord - twinc |
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Post by Helen on Mar 2, 2020 20:03:12 GMT
so far no mention as to what will cause every knee to bend and every tongue to confess Jesus as Lord - twinc Yes indeed there is...when we ALL stand before Him...they will SEE Him...would that not change anyones mind! Not the gentle Jesus meek and mild...but the Lamb as found in the book of Revelation...eyes as flaming fire, feet of brass etc etc etc |
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Post by twinc on Mar 3, 2020 11:33:00 GMT
so far no mention as to what will cause every knee to bend and every tongue to confess Jesus as Lord - twinc Yes indeed there is...when we ALL stand before Him...they will SEE Him...would that not change anyones mind! Not the gentle Jesus meek and mild...but the Lamb as found in the book of Revelation...eyes as flaming fire, feet of brass etc etc etc and why not the gentle Jesus meek and mild - twinc |
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Post by james on Mar 3, 2020 17:28:21 GMT
then I shall give Jesus answer and mine - lets see if you know His answer or not - I think not - twinc
And the right answer is................................................ twic please fill in the blank.
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Post by twinc on Mar 7, 2020 16:41:08 GMT
then I shall give Jesus answer and mine - lets see if you know His answer or not - I think not - twinc And the right answer is................................................ twic please fill in the blank. imho will be wasted and not accepted but rejected as not even deserving serious consideration and with unanimous back up by all vs twinc - even my serious posts re 'let us make man' and image and likeness towards this answer has already been scorned - these are pearls not to be freely distributed imho - twinc |
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Post by james on Mar 7, 2020 20:12:40 GMT
IMHO. Why use that in your posts twinc?
You don't have a humble bone in your body, you do not wish to share, express compassion for those who don't know. Your post are all about "I know something you don't know". I remember in my school days many boys who were constant in this sort of pursuit of trying to appear more informed than us lesser mortals.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 11:05:40 GMT
Before the Resurrection .... how were they saved? - - after centuries the proper answer here - what is certain is that the Saviour of the world will do just that - He is currently depicted as Saviour of Christians only - can this be reconciled - so lets have your answers and then I shall give Jesus answer and mine - lets see if you know His answer or not - I think not - twinc Hi twinc, I believe that those who have heard and believed God's message concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and His sacrifice for sin, will be saved from sin's penalty - death, by receiving life from the dead at the resurrection: and that those who have not heard, will come before the Lord when He judges the secrets of men's hearts (Romans 2), and will be judged accordingly: and some will indeed receive life, for He will judge justly. In Christ Jesus Chris |
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Post by james on Mar 8, 2020 20:32:37 GMT
I was wondering Chris, those who have not heard some you say will receive life, what happens to the others?
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Post by twinc on Mar 8, 2020 23:42:29 GMT
Before the Resurrection .... how were they saved? - - after centuries the proper answer here - what is certain is that the Saviour of the world will do just that - He is currently depicted as Saviour of Christians only - can this be reconciled - so lets have your answers and then I shall give Jesus answer and mine - lets see if you know His answer or not - I think not - twinc Hi twinc, I believe that those who have heard and believed God's message concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and His sacrifice for sin, will be saved from sin's penalty - death, by receiving life from the dead at the resurrection: and that those who have not heard, will come before the Lord when He judges the secrets of men's hearts (Romans 2), and will be judged accordingly: and some will indeed receive life, for He will judge justly. In Christ Jesus Chris Chris - Jesus said 'I have come not to judge the world but to save it' - so He either is or is not the Saviour of the world - twinc |
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Post by Dave on Mar 9, 2020 4:35:43 GMT
Now to me Twinc, what is interesting is at the cross, one malefactor is promised paradise, no sin message for him; Jesus says " ----------- "To day"(This is the eternal 'day' of the Lord imho) shalt thou be with me in paradise", in the Temple, the veil is rent in twain from top to bottom, this is where (mercy and truth are met together; 'righteousness and peace' that's Jesus' have kissed" Mercy had been in the seat with truth locked behind the veil) and the did earth quake and the rocks rent, And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which 'slept' arose. And came out of the graves 'after' his resurrection-----------" These are the un-named saints but we also know on the mount of Trans' were Moses and Elijah, recognised by P,J and J, this is an appearing before Res' day, where had they come from? were they 'saved' and if so; from what?
Like Ivor quoted, you have 'saved' in the past tense, all these died in faith but did not receive the promise at their time of death; but the D,B and Res' of Jesus the Christ changed the world for which his Father Loved.
Well the night is far spent, our clocks went forward today Twinc and like the disciples in the garden, I'm sleepy. Maybe TBC.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 19:28:02 GMT
These are the un-named saints but we also know on the mount of Trans' were Moses and Elijah, recognised by P,J and J, this is an appearing before Res' day, where had they come from? were they 'saved' and if so; from what? 'And the graves were opened;
and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after His resurrection,
and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.'(Mat 27:52-53) Hello Dave , Yes, the saints in Matthew 27:52-53 were raised 'from their graves', and went into Jerusalem and appeared unto many, fulfilling the words of the Lord in John 5:25. 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.' They are called 'saints', and only His own hear His voice, but we know nothing more about them than that. We do not know when they died, so do not know what message they heard and believed, so I cannot answer your questions, except as to where they came from, which is 'from their graves'. They were raised to life, but I believe that like Lazarus they received natural life, and would die again. For the Lord Jesus Christ had Himself to be yet raised to life, after three days and nights in the grave: and It would be at least forty days later when He would finally ascend unto His Father. As to the transfiguration (Matthew 17, Mark 9 & Luke 9; 2 Peter 1:16-18), and the appearing of Moses and Elijah, I believe that was an appearing in vision (Matthew 17:9), and depicted the glory of the risen Christ at His coming again (Matthew 16:27-28). Thank you. In Christ Jesus Chris |
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Post by Dave on Mar 11, 2020 4:35:21 GMT
Good line Chris, the un-named saints are referred as the many bodies of those that slept,and arose, (Jesus refers Lazarus to his disciples as one who was sleeping).
" And came out of the graves after his resurrection"
So were they the first to experience the 'power' after His resurrection, but were their spirit and soul residing also in the grave at this time.
We assume the 'paradise' man's body was taken, but what about his spirit and soul in the light of Jesus's "Today" promise to him?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 10:27:25 GMT
Good line Chris, the un-named saints are referred as the many bodies of those that slept,and arose, (Jesus refers Lazarus to his disciples as one who was sleeping). " And came out of the graves after his resurrection" So were they the first to experience the 'power' after His resurrection, but were their spirit and soul residing also in the grave at this time. We assume the 'paradise' man's body was taken, but what about his spirit and soul in the light of Jesus's "Today" promise to him? Hi Dave , Only believers are referred to as ' sleeping' because in God's estimation their condition is not a permanent one, having the hope of resurrection. They would appear to be the first to experience the quickening to life, and raising from among the dead, yes. You ask me if I believe that their spirit and soul resided in the grave at that time, prior to their rising? Well, we know that like all men, at death the body goes back to the dust from whence it came, and the spirit (or breath of life) goes back to God who gave it. I believe that when God made man, He breathed into His nostrils the breath of life (spirit) and man became a living soul. So the body, energised by spirit becomes a living soul. If the spirit departs, and goes back to God, then there is no longer a living soul. For the soul that sinneth it shall die. It is subject to death, and is not therefore immortal. Without the promise of the gift of life received at the resurrection from the dead, man would remain in the grave, oblivious of the passage of time, for there is no consciousness in death. The brain is dead, therefore all means of thought is dead. That applies to the thief on the cross too. He still awaits the coming of Christ Jesus his risen Lord, in resurrection glory, as we all do. In Christ Jesus Chris |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 10:51:40 GMT
Paradise? (G3857 = paradeisos) usage:- Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7
'He that hath an ear,
let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life,
which is in the midst of the paradise of God.'
(Rev 2:7)
The tree of life is in the midst of the paradise of God. Which Revelation 22:2 & 14, tell us is in the New Jerusalem which comes down to the New Earth (Revelation 21). That it was also in Eden is known to us all, but that paradise was lost to man because of the entry of sin (Genesis 2:22 & 24). Therefore, I believe that the paradise of God, promised to the thief on the cross is in the New Jerusalem, and it is there where the thief on the cross will be reunited with his Lord in resurrection. Had Israel not rejected her Messiah and King, then the Lord's resurrection would have been followed by His coming and His reign (Acts 3:19-21)and the thief would have been with him a lot earlier, however, it now awaits a yet future day.
The reference in 2 Corinthians (above) refers to visions, which Paul refers to, but I believe that in vision he was transported into that yet future day: as John was, when he received the visions recorded in the book of Revelation, which will take place in 'The Lord's Day', or 'The Day of the Lord' (Revelation 1:10).
Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Post by Dave on Mar 11, 2020 20:17:23 GMT
Chris, The writer of Hebrews, in Chp 12 he records of his 'now' " Wherefore 'seeing' we also are compassed with so great a cloud of witnesses--------"
The bodies return to dust(serpents food) but Spirit and Soul are in the abode that Jesus went to prepare a place for and are part of the cloud imho.
I'm with Paul on the 'gain' bit as more of the earnest until the purchased but comes in the fulness of time.
One aspect of scripture we all wrestle with I think, is "Gods time" in the events after Jesus being received back, the six day creation was for man's understanding not Gods, the book of Revelation is the time periods of the unveiling of Jesus Christ, which constitutes what the Revelation is all about.
Isa' in the year the natural king dies said; " I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple."
That's his unveiling vision.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 11:12:00 GMT
'Wherefore seeing we also
are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,
let us lay aside every weight,
and the sin which doth so easily beset us,
and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, ... '
(Heb 12:1) Hi Dave , Thank you for responding. The word, witness does not mean spectator. It means one who bears witness, even to the length of suffering martyrdom for it, as many of those did who are listed in chapter 11. With so great a cloud of witnesses as is found in the Scriptures ever with us, we are exhorted to take heart and run with patience the race set before us. Looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith, Who, for the joy that was set before Him, endured the cross, despising the shame. No, the testimony of Scripture is of resurrection. There is no life apart from resurrection, for our life is hid with Christ in God, and only when He appears in glory, will we appear with Him there (Colossians 3:3-4). Until then those who have died, and are saved by God's grace, are by God's reckoning ' asleep in Christ' (1 Corinthians 15:18, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16) Thank you In Christ Jesus Chris
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